and elections and voting patterns are very -- sudden changes. in 2004 and 2008 we had enormous voter turnout, about 60%, more than 120 million people. well, 2012, will it look like that or will it look like previous elections where we had voter turnout under 55%. and depending on what assumption you make you get very different results. what is a pollster to do, they end up projecting forward what happened last time. >> we shall see as far as turnout goes. but really this wednesday, these next couple of debates, the biggest audience these guys are going to get until november 6th, we'll be talking about it, watching, david frum, thank you. maybe we'll chat next week. i would love to hear the remaining nine questions you have for mitt romney. read david frum's piece, go to cnn.com/opinion. and you can follow the page on twitter. it is @cnnopinion. david, thank you. >>> and don't forget, wednesday night, the president versus his challenger face to face, huge night, special coverage here on cnn and cnn.com at 7:00 eastern. we'll be watching, we'll be